“Economics is something, that people predict like the weather” – An interview with Liars

Liars - Tonje Thilesen

Liars are undoubtedly one of the most consistently interesting and challenging bands to have emerged from New York’s early 2000s scene. Although they’ve have been around for quite a while we still find it impossible to second guess them. They’ve made a career out of constantly challenging our expectations, with each album seemingly forking off in an entirely new direction. From their art school beginnings on 2001’s They Threw Us All in a Trench And Stuck a Monument on Top to this summer’s WIXIW they have came a long way along a path less travelled. We sat down with Angus Andrew, Aaron Hemphill and Julian Gross plus Tonje Thilesen from No Fear Of Pop to discuss economics and binge drinking in Berlin’s 8mm Bar.

 

Your last album WIXIW was out in May, what are you up to now?

AA: We are just doing a lot of touring, but in January we will begin work on a different project.

What’s the project?

AA: It’s a little undecided, but it’s a music thing we’re getting ourselves involved in. It’s hard to go into any details just yet.

I always wanted to ask you about the development you where going through. The first time I saw you play was at a festival in Austria, in 2005 I think…

AA: Was that the one where I cut his face open? [points to Julian]

I just remember you had umbrellas on stage.

AA: It was raining a lot and I remember Adam Green was playing at that festival. That tour we did was really extensive and the night before we were in Berlin and it was still early enough in our touring experience to think it was a good idea to stay up all night drinking absinth. We got drunk at 8mm bar.

It feels like there was a lot more improvisation with your older stuff, now it seems more bound to a rhythm.

AA: On the record it’s more improvised than live. The big difference between then and now is that we where using a lot more electronic programmed beats. That obviously makes it a bit less improvised. But our working style isn’t really different. It’s pretty similar to when we began. Often the drum elements happen first and we make mistakes when we are doing it. I think that’s improvising, making mistakes. We still do that a lot.

You always break with what people tend to expect, is this your aim or just a natural progression?

AA: It’s a very natural thing for us. It’s our way of keeping ourselves excited about what we do. Each record is an opportunity to try something brand new. By the time we finish working on a project in a certain way it feels very obvious to us to want to try to forget that and see what’s next.

JG: Creativily its exciting to throw yourself in a position that’s really scary. Putting yourself in an unfamiliar place our of your comfort zone.

It’s boring to listen to music that’s always stays the same…

AA: I think that’s the way people normally work, they like to know what they are going to get from a band. I think it’s more comfortable for people. It’s not easy to follow us, but we hope it’s a bit more exciting.

How does that work out financially?

AA: It’s not something that dictates the way we work and if that was a big concern for us, we wouldn’t do what we do. It’s not the best strategy for making a lot of money or being famous. Because people like consistency.

AH: Economics is something, that people predict like the weather. I think that bands have made music in the same style twice and it has backfired on them. To make a record based on economics would be really disappointing.

I’ve been reading a lot of articles recently about how it’s not possible for “indie” bands to make a living anymore. 

AA: It depends on perspective. We’ve been on the same label since we began, it’s called Mute. They are very nurturing of us and they help us survive. There are a lot of bands, friends of us, who haven’t been able to survive because they have been in situations where labels wanted something particular from them and that was it.

AH: I think if you are making a record, basing the music on what you think people are going to like or what’s going to sell better will never work—there’s no way you could win! You should just be making what you want to make instead of guessing what someone is going to want. I mean how do you ever do that? ~

Photos: Tonje Thilesen